At week or two ago at Comic-Con, I spoke to 'Supernatural' star Misha Collins (that video interview is here, and all our coverage of the show is here). But Collins was the sole representative of the CW show at a Television Critics Association party on Wednesday, so I thought I'd grill him a bit more on where things stand for Castiel and what the actor wants to do now that he's not a series regular on the show.
At the end of season 6, when Cas became "this omnipotent megalomaniacal character, it does sort of wash away the old, naïve, dorky Cas that we've all come to love," Collins said. "And I have a fondness in my heart for that character and miss him and hope to see him again."
Before we get to the rest of the interview, here's a bit of good news: 'Supernatural' is among the shows that has had its episode order bumped up. Season 7 of the show will feature 23 episodes instead of the usual 22. (Other CW news from TCA press tour is here.)
A couple of notes on the interview: I did it in tandem with Melanie McFarland, TV editor of IMDb.com and a 'Supernatural' fan from way back (AolTV's Laura Prudom suggested some questions as well). Some of the questions came from her, some from me. Also, this interview has been edited and slightly condensed.
Both of us wanted to know -- will we see the old Cas again?
Some people are a little bit disturbed about the fact that Castiel was made to make these deals with the devil and then in the last episode, what happened to him was almost heartbreaking for a lot of fans. What was your reaction what happened to this character, who had been kind of innocent.
Well, I feel like the writers dealt with that turn fairly responsibly, I mean, there was a lot of buildup, Cas got a chance to tell his side of the story before he made the turn, and the decisions that he made along the way to get to where he got were all easily justifiable. And yet when, when Cas does become this omnipotent megalomaniacal character, it does sort of wash away the old, naïve, dorky Cas that we've all come to love. And I have a fondness in my heart for that character and miss him and hope to see him again.
Do you think it's even possible to see him again?
Well, it's 'Supernatural.' So if pigs could fly... in fact, why haven't they had flying pigs on the show just to prove a point?
Why hasn't ['Supernatural' writer] Ben Edlund pitched that episode?
I don't know. I immediately that flashed in my head as I said that. The thing is, in the 'Supernatural' universe, there's nothing that is impossible. There is a lot of leeway there. But I don't know of any specific plans to redeem Cas at this point.
A lot of the characters on the show deal with this internal duality and the struggle between good and evil sides. Are we going to see that in this version of Cas in season 7, or is it a more straightforward, "I'm God and that's that"?
Cas starts out with that very poised, self-assured position where he is absolutely 100 percent confident in himself and his actions, and he quickly falls into conflict with himself and his position. So, yes, there's conflict there, for sure.
The fans have also been wondering what this does to Dean and Cas' relationship. You said that you were going to kind of miss the old Castiel -- will you also miss that Dean dynamic? Do you think there will be something to replace it that'll be equally as interesting?
Yeah, I definitely do miss that dynamic. I have loved doing the intimate scenes with Dean or Jensen over the years the most. There's something about that dynamic that just seems to work really well. And I'm sorry to see that go. And, I don't know, part of me feels like it could have been given a little bit more juice. I don't know that it got its just desserts.
Well, I was one of the people saying that it felt like Cas' journey in the most recent season could have been fleshed out more. I love Ben Edlund's episode, it's probably my favorite of the season, 'The Man Who Would be King.' But it also felt like they were saving up almost all the Cas story for that one big episode. I would have liked even more buildup of the choices he was making.
I don't know how they construct the season and, you know, obviously there's an aspect [where they're] trying to make a certain number of the episodes very easily self-contained, where you don't have to know the mythology of the whole season in order to understand it. And so understandably, I think they left the Cas [story] out of a lot. But you know, it's hard to analyze in hindsight.
Dean also isn't very forgiving, is he?
No. He's kind of a dick. [laughs] I mean, he can be pretty hard, but he can be sensitive.
What do you think the chances are for Cas to be redeemed or made into a good guy again? Do you want that or do you think that's possible?
I would like the character to have juicy stuff to work with, whatever that manifests itself as. For him to serve the story. I mean, conflict is good.
Speaking of conflict, have you had any indication that we're going to see a God vs. God kind of thing?
There was the end of a season that had a certain character who might be God.
It is a complex universe, 'Supernatural.' It seems to be treading the monotheistic line now, but if you do follow the mythology back, it is a polytheistic universe. But no, I don't think they're going to go with a God-off. That would be God-awful. [laughs]
So true. So have you already shot the two episodes they've said you'll be in?
Yes. I actually just wrapped the second episode late last night.
Can you say what episodes you are in beyond that or have they not told you?
I don't know what episodes I'm going to be in beyond [the first two of season 7]. So no.
Are you pursuing other opportunities right now? Are you looking at other jobs?
Yes. I worked on 'Divine' [a web series from 'Supernatural' visual effects coordinator Ivan Hayden that premieres Aug. 28] for a few days, but it's not really something that I'm going to be involved in on an ongoing basis.
What would you like to be doing?
You know, I have a bunch of ideas and things that I'd like to do. I kind of would like to dabble with comedy a little bit, so I'm going to try to do some of that.
Well, keep us up to date. Are there any films you might be doing?
I haven't shot anything yet. I basically took the hiatus off this year [AolTV writer Laura Prudom accompanied Collins on the hiatus trip he took with 'Supernatural' fans who volunteered to work on the actor's charity project there.] I'm totally unemployed. Thanks for rubbing it in [laughs].
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